Training in Ninjutsu

by Shane
(USA)

Well ever since I was a youngly I had watched movies like ninja turtles, the karate kid and many other martial arts movies. Then one day my father had came to pick me up ; because he had not lived with me, and he had said, well if you want i know someone who can teach you in fact he was my teacher also. I soon had found out later in my life that my one teacher was my one hero Mr. Miyagi. I had trained with him for 4 in a half years. Then I had started training in other schools which all the teachers had told me that who ever taught me martial arts did not know what they were doing. When I had told them they laughed and it put me down and they had said that if he really had told you prove it. I had said that I should not have to prove something you should just believe in your students. Maybe one day you will realize that. I had never trained with a school ever since. When I had found out that Mr. Miyagi had passed away I had recieved a letter in the mail from my father that had explained who taught Mr. Miyagi and where the location was. So now I'm trying my hardest to get fit and find a job so that way I can Save up and go to Japan to train. So that is my story one how and why I want to get fit. If you still haven't figured it out yet. I want to Be a true and wise NINJA just like Mr. Miyagi & teach it the the chosen one's who want to learn and not to learn it for the wrong reasons.

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Aug 27, 2012
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Clarification
by: Paul from Isometric Training

Hi Jerome,

I appreciate that you may be upset by my comments. I stand by what I said. I have no intention of insulting anyone. I did recognize though that this is an emotional issue for many adherents of the Bujinkan, I prefaced my comments thus.

My statement regarding Hatsumi is not contradictory at all. He is a great martial artist in his own right. I've trained with the man. He's very very good. His body movement, timing and subtly is excellent.

However being a good martial artist does not automatically make one a good teacher. He cannot impart to his students his skills.

Further as I stated he does not teach Ninjutsu, nor does anyone in the Bujinkan practice an authentic martial art. They practice a cobbled together series of bits and pieces from various styles - but the higher ups, Hatsumi included claim that these arts have a lineage and authenticity that simply is neither true nor factual. This is EXTREMELY well documented.

For the record I have nothing against a martial art being cobbled together from many different sources. You, yourself have indicated this is fine and I agree.

What is not fine is lying to those you teach and lying to those that placed their trust, time and commitment in the art. The Bujinkan does not have the lineage it claims. Thus it is not authentic.

This is why it is not recognized nor sanctioned as a traditional Budo. This is why Hatsumi's application for inclusion in reputable organisations like the DNBK was denied.

Aug 27, 2012
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by: Jerome

Prefacing your comments by saying "I need to preface this by saying I don't mean to insult anyone" means that you do intend to insult people.

All martial arts are combination of techniques. Therefore they are all made up. Even Shotokan is a combination of the two major Okinawan styles of Nahate, Shorei-ryu and Shorin-ryu.

"Hatsumi, while a great martial artists is a poor teacher but EXCELLENT marketer" doesn't that contradict your next statement..."The Bujinkan dojo's don't teach ninjutsu. They don't even teach legitimate martial arts."

What is your definition of a legitimate martial art? If Hatsumi's Bujinkan isn't a legitimate martial art why is he considered a recognized expert? Even been awarded the instructor of year by Black Belt Magazine and Lifetime Achievement Award, by the USMA International Hall of Fame.

But honestly, if the techniques work that is truly all that matters. I know that the mental techniques for Bujinkan do work, honestly they are the principles of most internal martial arts. Especially of those in China and India. Bujinkan is about uniting mind, body and spirit and they do a pretty good job.

By the way. I believe the original poster was referring to someone he actually knew named Mr Miyagi either that or that was his term for his instructor.

Nothing is impossible with an open mind.
Jerome

Aug 15, 2012
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by: Paul from Isometric Training

Hi Guys,

Firstly I need to preface this by saying I don't mean to insult anyone...however I do need to point out a few things...

Firstly I LOVE the enthusiasm, but Mr. Myagi was A) a fictional character and 2) did Okinawan Karate, NOT ninjitsu. I highly encourage you to train in a good karate dojo - I myself have studied Shotokan Karate for over 20 years.

Secondly Jerome, while I appreciate you trying to help, Stephen K. Hayes has an excellent immagination but he's not a Ninja, nor does he teach ninjitsu.

And Hatsumi, while a great martial artists is a poor teacher but EXCELLENT marketer.

The Bujinkan dojo's don't teach ninjutsu. They don't even teach legitimate martial arts. Don't get me wrong, it's great fun and there are many very sincere and dedicated martial artists training in the art, but it's made up stuff.

Aug 11, 2012
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You dont have to go to Japan to train in Ninjutsu
by: Jerome

Shane
Not sure why you think you need to go to Japan to learn Ninjutsu. Some of the leading trainer in Ninjutsu are here in the US. Stephen Hayes www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_K._Hayes who training in Japan is based in Germantown Ohio www.stephenkhayes.com. Bud Malmstrom www.bujinkanatl.com are just outside of Atlanta, GA. They were both trained in Bujinkan Budō Taijutsu www.bujinkan.com run by Soke Dr Masaaki Hatsumi www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masaaki_Hatsumi If you are truly interested in Ninjutsu read Glenn Morris's Pathnotes of an American Ninja Master. It will be a real eye opener for you.
Jerome

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